There's some disambiguation to be figured out eventually - "Ypsilanti" is often used to describe a very large area, including the City of, the Township of, Superior Twp, and parts of Pittsfield, Salem, and Augusta Townships. This page's text seems to focus on the City of, which is, admittedly, what most people think of. HOwever, particularly when talking about the Mayor of Ypsilanti, Ypsilanti City Council, etc, it may be useful to separate out the City of material so that its clear these things talk about the municipality of 22,000 people, rather than the region/community of 100,000.
For now, though, I'm just going to Redirect the Requested Page "City of Ypsilanti" to Cat:Ypsi.
==
So, now that User:MattH has been kind enough to set up YpsiWiki, there's some decision-making to be done.
I'm going to propose that all Ypsi content from ArborWiki be moved (I'll do it) to YpsiWiki, with interwiki redirects set up for the existing pages. (Requires an interwiki map to be set up on each to handle the interwiki linking back and forth?
Does anyone have an objection to wholesale migration of content? There would still, I think, be a place on ArborWiki for an Ypsi page, in the name of "the hip city to the east", and other comments relating Ypsi to Ann Arbor. Is there a better way to seed YpsiWiki?
-Murph.
What does it take for Interwiki to be set up? Ed
My main objection is that I don't think most people care which city a resource is located in, so all this is going to do is make it harder to use ArborWiki as a way of finding things. You'll have to look at two restaurant lists, for example.
I've gone into this in more detail in the discussion attached to Taqueria La Loma, which is now on the Ypsi side of the line, but that's my main point: splitting the two makes this Wiki a far less useful tool than it is now.
I'm the one who asked MattH to set up YpsiWiki, and, really, asked him to do one of two things. Either set up an YpsiWiki or else rename ArborWiki to YpsiArborWiki (a la Ypsi-Arbor Bowl), or WashtenaWiki, or something else inclusive. He preferred the sister-site approach. I have literally heard people say, "Ann Arbor doesn't have bad neighborhoods - that's what Ypsi is for," and I've also seen Ypsilanti bloggers demand to not be listed on ArborBlogs because, darnit, Ypsi is a separate place. I know of Ypsilantians who refuse to contribute to ArborWiki because they think it's by, for, and of Ann Arbor (hence the name), and they're not Ann Arbor. ('Course, the same folks haven't really been lured into YpsiWiki yet, 'cause it hasn't been seeded enough to lure them in yet.)
At any rate, I agree that having two separate sites requires a little more work to be done for the same level of usefulness, but, on the other hand, I respect MattH's judgement that setting up a second, interconnected site would scale better than changing ArborWiki to WashtenaWiki, then MichiganWiki, and so forth. I'd say, though, that there's nothing _wrong_ with listing something Ypsilanti on ArborWiki, or vice-versa - it's a wiki. The people who want it on the other side should take the steps to put it on the "right" side and add the links to make things work.
-Murph.
p.s. Ed, I'm disappointed in you for not just looking up the InterWiki page on Wikipedia. :) And here's Mediawiki's meta page on setting up interwiki.
I think Arborwiki would be better off serving the mellow people who just want to be able to find stuff, than serving the people who have personal issues with those who live on the other side of Carpenter (or wherever the border is ;-). Unless the split can be made seamless, I don't buy it. But it isn't my Wiki, so that's just my opinion.
First of all: this wiki belongs to everyone, not just me (ok, that was very corny. but it's true). I'm just the wiki-monkey.
I have no anti-Ypsilanti slant and I'm not some crazy isolationist. But Ann Arbor isn't Ypsilanti and Ypsilanti isn't Ann Arbor, so I created a second separate site after Murph requested a Ypsiwiki.
I'm working on adding InterWiki code that will allow easy linking between the two sites, but the software isn't cooperating with the database.
HOWEVER, there is a major structural change to ArborWiki coming up, and our options are still open. Let me know your thoughts by sending me an email ([email protected]) or by commenting on this page. Please continue to sign your comments by adding your initials or four tildes (~~~~), which displays your username and a datestamp. -MattH 14:02, 21 Apr 2006 (PDT)
- InterWiki is now working. Use the syntax [[ypsi:Page name]] to link to YpsiWiki. Page redirects to YW aren't automatic.
(Taqueria La Loma commenter here)
If there were some way to share all the data, but have an "Ann Arbor" main page and an "Ypsilanti" main page, that would be great. Because it's just silly to segregate stuff. The communities are so interlinked.
Or call it ArborYpsiWiki. That would be fine too.
71.244.156.78 19:24, 23 Apr 2006 (PDT)
Okay, I've learned my lesson. Splitting off YpsiWiki is just a good way to get the Ypsi side of ArborWiki neglected, since very few people seem to contribute to YpsiWiki. My note on that site asking for feedback on the idea of merging it back has seen no response whatsoever. So I think it's time to move things back.
As TLLCommenter notes about having distinct main pages - maybe something could be hacked up in the next work party (which could possibly be scheduled at a time that people with "real" jobs could attend?) to toss up icons at the top of the page for various categories. If page belongs to Cat:Ypsi, it gets a water tower. If it belows to Cat:UMich, it gets a block M. Etc.
--Murph 13:37, 22 October 2006 (PDT)
